Edith Hamilton explores a complex feminine role in her classic novel Mythology, stressing the competing power aspects of the breathtaking beauty, individual strength, and persevering determination of females in myths.
There are two distinct roles for women in Greek mythology; goddesses are strong and never cease to use their powers for personal gain while human women are weak to their evil natures and cause suffering to others as a result.
The women in Edith Hamilton's novel Mythology take only a limited number of roles; they are either forced into submission or portrayed as evil, and their femininity can never coexist with their strength.
Edith Hamilton illustrates in her canon novel Mythology how myths have molded females into threee distinctive roles the independent woman, the punishment to man, and the domestic female.
In Edith Hamilton's Mythology, feministic roles were explored in depth when the women were portrayed as beautiful sex objects, fierce warriors and cunning temptresses.
In Edith Hamilton's "Mythology" feminine roles are often interpreted as inferior and flawed, demonstrated by; Pandora's curiosity, Echo's punishment and Hera's strong dissatisfaction with her husband.
Hamilton's "Mythology" shows the reader how feminine characters have very important powerful roles, but they are also seen as weak and flawed by society in that day as displayed by both goddesses and mortal women alike.
Emily E.7 Within Edith Hamilton's "Mythology", the duality of the famale gender, both mortal and immortal, can be seen through power, obedience, and beauty.
Within the undaunted tales of ancient Greek and Roman mythology, as told by Edith Hamilton, the female goddess and mortal exhibit a blend of typical and unusual characteristics that ultimately bring heartache or ruin upon their subordinates or peers, whether they intend to or not.
I'm definitely going to edit it and make it stronger/fancier though..
In Edith Hamilton's extended compendium "Mythology," feminine power and strength are thouroughly exemplified through their benevolent power, selfish manipulation, and irresistable beauty.
Its still a little rough, and I will definitely be editing this. if you have any suggestions, please let me know!
In Edith Hamilton's Mythology, the author's feminist views come forward through the power of the Goddesses and the obedience of women, but Gods and men ultimately rule superior throughout Greek and Roman Mythology.
Women have influenced men and the world on many occasions in Roman and Greek mythology and, as exemplified by the first wonan Pandora, have been thought to be a punishment to man as well as a "gift to all."
I don't think you need to put the "mortal or immortal" part in...the word "female" pretty much encompasses everything, and having that phrase in there kind of messes with the flow of the sentence. =]
As demonstrated in Edith Hamilton's Mythology, women, goddesses and motal alike, utilize power for purposes of personal gain, as well as intentional malice.
This is only an idea, based on what I am reading here. Make sure that your thesis is broad enough to cover three aspects.
Nicole. You may consider: Women, even goddesses, in Edith Hamilton's Mythology are an inferior race viewed only as sex objects ridden with jealousy and vanity.
All females, goddesses and mortal women alike, are portrayed as an inferior gender, based on true Hellenic tradition; according to viewpoints in Edith Hamilton's Mythology women are merely sexual objects, ridden with jealousy and vanity.
Make sure that you have enough "mileage" to cover your aspects:)
Emily. Add the name of the novel and the author. Also, consider defining your thesis by aspects to be covered in your paper. Take a look at some of the others:)
Brooke. Consider some small revisions: Within the iconic tales of ancient Greek and Roman mythology, as retold by Edith Hamilton, goddess and mortal woemn exhibit a blend of typical and atypical feminine characteristics that ultimately invoke heartache or ruin upon their subordinates or peers.
See what you think;) It sounds as if you are off to a good start!!
Females in Edith Hamilton's novel Mythology are limited by the original author's adherence to Hellenic tradition; The women are either forced into stereotypical submission or portrayed as evil, due to the cultural idea that femininity can never coexist with strength.
I think it might be a run-on sentence right now. You should put some kind of punctuation between 'roles' and 'the'. Maybe a colon? I think it's strong other than that.
It may be better to make your thesis more general... instead of saying Pandora's curiosity, make a generalization about curiosity. That way in the body paragraphs you can talk about others who were curious as well.
Edith Hamilton’s classic compilation Mythology effectively demonstrates both the conventional and unconventional gender roles found in ancient Greek and Roman myths.
In Edith Hamilton's Mythology, the author's personal, feminist views are evidenced by her multi-faceted portrayal of the goddesses' supernatural powers and the obedience of females en total; additionally, an adherence to patriarchal Hellenic tradition is obvious.
I'm not loving the final part of the thesis that I have here... I am trying to keep your viewpoint. Take a look and tweak as needed:)
Kyley. I agree with the prior post about making the thesis more general. Save the specific info for the body. Think of the thesis as a rainbow, arching over your ideas and alluding to what is to come:)
Courtney. This is a good start. Consider the following idea:
Edith Hamilton's Mythology utilizes feminine characters that occupy very important, powerful roles; however, both goddedsses and mortal women are also viewed as weak and flawed, as determined by the rules of Hellenic society.
Emily. This is better. You may add specific aspects as your paper evolves. It is better:) Good work:)
Edith Hamilton’s classic compilation Mythology effectively demonstrates both the conventional and unconventional gender roles found in ancient Greek and Roman myths.
Although they are not the most remembered heroes or exciting Gods, women have a major role in Mythology, they are often flawed, abused, and rarely portray traits glorified by the Greeks other than their beauty.
I know it's long, I'm probably going to break it up into two sentences if that will keep it a proper thesis.
Edith Hamilton's Mythology exemplifies that although very few women could obtain actual positions of authority in Greek and Roman society, numerous females attained power by means of their exquisite beauty, physical ability, or tenacious willpower.
Ellen. While the female lead myths do not garner the same fame as the male dominated one, Hamilton is trying to show that females struggled under male domination. Much of the novel is devoted to that end, via voice and focus. Perhaps a more straightforward thesis is better, one that judges less. If possible, try to use a semicolon contsruction to closely associate the two "sentences," maintaining the thought for the reader:)
Skylar, I might be reading this wrong, but the part about "the author's feminist views come forward through the power of the Goddesses and the obedience of women" I feel is a contradiction. Goddesses being powerful is a feminist thing, but not women being obedient..
Audrey. Excellent:) I can't wait to read your paper:) It is straightforward and specific, while leaving room for proving within the paper's body. Good job.
Nicole and Skylar. I can see what both of you are saying. Nicole, I see where you are coming from; the feminist idea is one that promotes female strength. Skylar may intend to explore Hamilton's reaction to the idea of obedience. Her viewpoint could be expressed while maintaining the hellenic viewpoint of the day. Thoughts??
1.) The intricate depiction of the role of feminism throughout Edith Hamilton's compilation "Mythology" portrays the Hellenic and Roman outlook of both female deities and mortals as not merely inferior but even as the embodiment of evil.
2.) Edith Hamilton's "Mythology" explores the inferior role of women in male dominated Roman and Hellenic society as well as the tradition of intentional malice for personal gain.
They both have the same concept, I just cannot choose which statement I like most. but...I am definately going to revise them. help?
Thank you all for your opinions. Maybe I could change my focus a little to better fit my paper. So here we go- "In Edith Hamilton's Mythology, the author's personal, feminist views are evidenced by her multi-faceted portrayal of the goddesses and women through their strength, foolishness, and independence." So I changed it a lot. would that be ok to write about or does that not follow what it should?
scratch that.... I'm not even going to use Roman society examples
NEW THESIS Edith Hamilton's daedal (or intricate?) work, Mythology, effectively amplifies (highlights) the unjust perception of women inherently inferior and deceptively evil in Hellenic (or Greek) society.
I think I like this the best. Any thoughts? Should I use some wording from the post I made earlier in this statement?
Edith Hamilton's Mythology explores dual roles and traits of women, specifically their desirable beauty embodied through femininity and masculinity, thier passionate outlook on love that causes harsh acts of vengaence, and their feminine flaws that overshaw their strength.
Alexis R. 6. In Hamilton's Mythology the female goddesses, humans, and other mythological beings portray two contrasting roles as both corrupted power vessels and subordinate damsels who must be guarded by the male race.
Mrs. Edwards, I only planned on covering two aspects in my paper, but you said three in your comment. Does this mean that I need a new paragraph or can I use two aspects in one paragraph such as when I talk about Pandora?
Kelsey. It is your choice. You may be able to get enough "mileage" out of two aspects. My suggestion of three aspects, is my own "mode" of writing. It totally depends on the individual:)
1. Always identify the author and novel in your thesis. Titles of books are in italics.
2. Address the author by last name.
3. Watch your organization. While it is not the only way to organize a paper, thinking of the paper as three points in five sections helps. NOTE: this does not mean 5 paragraphs.
4. Order your paper by order of discussion as dictated by your thesis statement.
5. Plan to have two solid proofs in each body paragraphs.
6. Watch your tense and maintain literary present.
7. Avoid personal pronouns (I, you, our). maintain formal voice.
8. Maintain equal weight with each aspect discussed in your paper. (Do not have one or two lengthy discussions and then have one skimpy one).
9. Remember....12 font and double spaced.
10. Have someone read your paper. Sometimes the writer thinks that something makes perfect sense and the reader can be left confused.
Natalie. In most cases, it is a better choice to save specific info, such as the Pandora observation, for the proving aspect of the paper. Thesis statements generally have broad aspects with the proof following in the body:) Good question!
I am confused on where I should put in the authors name. I could do..
Hamilton has clearly proven in Mythology that women have influenced man and the world on many occasions in Roman and Greek mythology and have been thought to be a punishment to man as well as a "gift to all."
I have a question. In my essay, I'm referring to the fact that women are often blamed for things, and I zeroed in on the idea that many of the monsters are women. The monsters (the Gorgons, the Harpies, etc.) don't really have their own backstories, so I just listed them within the paragraph. Is this okay?
And also, I was looking through the index and I noticed that there are things in there that aren't actually in the book. For example, I found the name Echidna (another female monster)...can I use these in my essay or should I stick to the ones in the actual book?
Brigitte. A suggestion would be to use an appositive after the term:An appositive is a noun or noun phrase that renames another noun right beside it. The appositive can be a short or long combination of words. Appositives are set off with commas within the sentence. This would identify what you are talking about, without having to go into a long discussion. If I am understanding what you are doing with this, you are merely providing examples to support the idea that females are portrayed as monsters. Does this help??:)
Mrs. Edwards: I cannot remember if you wanted us to give page numbers after our quotes. I know that you don't want a works cited page but I cant remember what you said about the page numbers. Also on the sheet that you gave us with all the prompts that we could choose it says that you want us to send it to turnitin.com. Are we supposed to do this for tuesday or later on because we dont have the passwords for the class?
Also, she told us to wait to put it on turnitin.com because she always gets people that turn it in on there like four times, and she wants to avoid that.
Mrs. Edwards-- I was more concerned with just having a list with no explanation of the things in it. This is the sentence I have:
In other myths, fierce and evil creatures are made female, like the Chimera, the Sphinx, the Gorgons, and the Harpies.
Should I just use appositives within the list or should I do away with the list completely and explain them in more detail some other way in the paragraph?
And as far as the extra things in the index, are they fair game?
Edith Hamilton illustrates in her canon novel Mythology how myths have molded females into three distinctive roles; the punishment to man, the domestice woman, and the independent female.
Does that look better? Is the punishment to man an akward way to put it?
Are we supposed to have 2 quotes per paragraph? I could be remembering wrong, but I thought that was what you told us.
Also, to everyone: I'm having trouble organizing my essay. I know all the things I want to talk about (mainly portraying the aspects of mythology that relate to the aspects and struggles of females today) but I don't really know in what structure they should be. For example, I definitely want to talk about the strength and power, the idea of women as objects, the concept of women as inferior/evil, and also the struggle between the womans choice between humble housewife or self-sufficient women (Hera vs. Hestia). Any ideas?
Jeff. Yes, you should have wo supports per body paragraph. That is just a good rule of thumb. Also, your thesis will dictate order for your paper. Look at the list of helpful hints:)
Throughout Hamilton's Mythology, it is apparent of the woman's inferior role in the male dominated society of ancient Greek and Roman times; they seem to bring about trouble through their stunning beauty, they tempt and distract all men and are susceptible to love.
Between Hamilton's and Mythology you might want to inlcude the word novel and an adjective in front of it. For example: Throughout Hamilton's superior novel Mythology... But maybe not the adjective superior because it might not fit.
Better late than never, here's my thesis: As shown by Hamilton’s Mythology, both mortal and immortal women of Greece are beautiful due to not only their traditionally feminine traits, but also their more masculine traits, and share a wickedly curious side that brings much pain to mankind.
In Hamilton’s exemplary compilation “Mythology,” she portrays three main roles of legendary Greek and Roman goddesses; the supporting nurturer, the tempting virgin, and the intimidating monster.
Kaela and Sam. Thesis statements look good. A suggestion, rules of formality dictate addressing the author by full name. After that, you may refer to the author by last name. Kaela, I LOVE the aspects that you have chosen:) Consider ramping up the vocab on the adjectives named in the thesis (supporting, tempting and intimidating) to add that "AP" quality to the paper:)
In Edith Hamilton’s exemplary compilation “Mythology,” she portrays three main roles of legendary Greek and Roman goddesses; the (benevolent) nurturer, the (tantalizing/alluring) virgin, and the (daunting) monster.
Kaela. Those are better. Also, make sure that you use italics, not quotation marks, for your title. Quotation makrks are for short stories...poetry titles... Book titles are either underlined or in italics.
Is it okay if I only have two body paragraphs, as long as the length of the paper is still long enough? My paper is divided into two main sections with three points for each. One section is focused on how women embodied traditional gender roles in the myths, and one is about how they also took on nontraditional roles. What do you think?
My paragraphs are on benevolent power, selfish manipulation and irresistable beauty, respectively. I have several points that I want to hit on, but I am having trouble deciding which ones to put where. Can anyone think of any examples that I can use for any of those paragraphs?
Emily. Just from reading the description, I am feeling a little wary of onlt two paragraphs. It makes it a little much for your reader to take in. See if there are some natural divisions in there (i.e. discussion of mortal women and a discussion of goddesses). As one can have run on sentences, the same could be said of paragraphs. Sometimes students run into disorganization when they try to have one size fits all paragraphing. Have someone read it, and get second opinion. Sometimes the reader cannot see the confusion (item 10 on the Helpful Hints).
Cory. Begin by really knowing the definitions of your aspects. IMHO, benevolence has the connotaion of someone in power doing something out of kindness for someone less than themselves. If you are in doubt, address the aspect via an appositive, thus framing your discussion by definition. Does that help??
I am considering changing the paragraph on selfish manipulation and replacing it with a paragraph on women's nature to be temptresse because I am not sure how to expand on the idea of selfish manipulation and find examples for it. Does this sound like a good idea?
In her epic compilation Mythology, Edith Hamilton explores both modern and patriarchal social perceptions of women in a male dominated society by examining their power, degradation, and gender struggles.
In Edith Hamilton's epic compendium Mythology, several varying aspects of women are explored - their benevolent power, their archetype of a temptress, and their inevitable nature to do evil.
If you have any suggestions or modifications, let me know! Thanks!
I have my body paragraphs but I am having a difficult time writing my introduction. I was thinking of starting off with a quote. Like, “Among savages she is a slave. In the dark ages of Christianity she is a toy and a sentimental goddess.” (by George William Curtis). But I don't know how to go from there to my thesis.
You could begin by talking about Greek culture and society and the different ways women were looked at, which would go along with your thesis. You could also talk about the dual and ambiguous nature of women, the good and bad which might help explain why men and society thought these different things about them.
I have a question about citations in the paper. 1. "fairest woman in the world" (186) 2. "fairest woman in the world"
Which of these two options is the way we should cite our quotes in our paper? I know you said we don't need to have a works cited because we are only dealing with one source, but I still am not sure if the page number is necessary.
I think you have good ideas, but I don't really understand the last one... Do you mean feminine flaws like curiosity and jealousy? Maybe you could word it a little bit differently so that it's clearer.
Ugh my paper is sounding like a big summary of stories throughout the book. I'm struggling with paraphrasing the stories that support my thesis and it's making my paper super long.
Brooke. Make sure that you are actually paraphrasing, not retelling. It is a normal error to make:) That might be why yor paper is too long. The ability to be succinct ina great skill to have.
To all of you... I admire your willingness to help your classmates:) You are a good group, sharing and kind:) LIKE, I ALREADY KNEW THAT!!!!!!!!
Highlight what it is about the story that reflects what you are trying to say in your thesis/the main focus of the paragraph instead of just summarizing what happens in the story.
Jeff- I like your thesis, but what's the difference between degradation and gender struggles? It's not clear to me what you would be talking about in each of those body paragraphs
Do you think Demeter would fall under the category of goddesses that intentionally do evil or goddesses that don't? I orignially thought those that don't intentionally do evil because it's her depression that causes the crops to fail, but now I'm not so sure.
I personally feel that 99% of the time she is a 'good' goddess. And she harvests crops bountifully for mankind in reward for them cultivating the soil. But, that 1% of the time when she said she wouldn't let the earth bear any fruit until she saw her daughter again is an example of her intentionally doing evil, yet she did have a cause.
I think you can choose which one fits your paper more. As long as there is enough proof.
Brooke- I agree with Kaela that she is a good goddess. When I read about the part of her letting the crops die and the men starving fromt that as being her forgetting about her duties becuase of her constant worry over her daughter being missing. I didn't believe she intentionally did it.
Also I was wondering what is that word Mrs. Edwards used when talking about the Greek Society "Henallic" or something?
I have looked over my paper, and I think the way I have it arranged with only two body paragraphs makes the most sense organizationally for me, even though the two paragraphs are very long. I could divide each of the two body paragraphs in half, but one half would have two main examples and the other would only have one. Can I print out both versions to show you and see which you think is best? Thanks! -Emily V
Emily, thanks! As I went to write the respective body paragraph for that part of the thesis I totally ran into that same issue, so I am revising it.
Brooke, I think of Demeter as a "good" goddess. However, her depression due to her loss daughter that results in lack of vegetation in the winter time can be seen as a feminine flaw. Since she has a motherly instinct, her emotions overwhelm her and ultimatley affect her ability to get her job done.
when we do quotes, do we need a comma before the quote if its used in context? like would I have ... who had "enchanting voices and..." or who had, "enchanting voices and.."
Corie. Since you are blending your quote into a sentence of your own "creation," you do not need the comma. Ony use punctuation as is necessary to complete the sentence. The blend approach maintains your voice while adding the support to further your idea and to supply credibility.
EmilyV. Both situations sound problematic. Long paragraphs run the risk of wandering, especially in a paper of this length. To just "half" the paragraph is not what you are after either. You need to look for a natural division, if you are going to paragraph. You should maintain the same depth of support in each body paragraph, equalizing the discussion. Does this help?
Edith Hamilton explores a complex feminine role in her classic novel Mythology, stressing the competing power aspects of the breathtaking beauty, individual strength, and persevering determination of females in myths.
ReplyDeleteDoes this make sense?
-Rachel M. 6
Kelsey Z. 6th bell
ReplyDeleteThesis statement:
There are two distinct roles for women in Greek mythology; goddesses are strong and never cease to use their powers for personal gain while human women are weak to their evil natures and cause suffering to others as a result.
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ReplyDeleteWomen, even goddesses, in Edith Hamilton's Mythology are an inferior race viewed only as sex objects ridden with jealousy and vanity.
Thesis statement:
ReplyDeleteWomen embodied both conventional and unconvential gender roles in ancient Greek and Roman mythology.
The women in Edith Hamilton's novel Mythology take only a limited number of roles; they are either forced into submission or portrayed as evil, and their femininity can never coexist with their strength.
ReplyDeleteIn her epic compilation Mythology, Edith Hamilton explores both modern and patriarchal views of women in a male dominated society.
ReplyDeleteIt probably will sound a bit different by the time, I'm finished, but this is where I'm starting off from.
Ariana B. 6
ReplyDeleteEdith Hamilton illustrates in her canon novel Mythology how myths have molded females into threee distinctive roles the independent woman, the punishment to man, and the domestic female.
Any ideas on how to improve?
In Edith Hamilton's Mythology, feministic roles were explored in depth when the women were portrayed as beautiful sex objects, fierce warriors and cunning temptresses.
ReplyDeleteIn Edith Hamilton's "Mythology" feminine roles are often interpreted as inferior and flawed, demonstrated by; Pandora's curiosity, Echo's punishment and Hera's strong dissatisfaction with her husband.
ReplyDeleteHamilton's "Mythology" shows the reader how feminine characters have very important powerful roles, but they are also seen as weak and flawed by society in that day as displayed by both goddesses and mortal women alike.
ReplyDeleteEmily E.7
ReplyDeleteWithin Edith Hamilton's "Mythology", the duality of the famale gender, both mortal and immortal, can be seen through power, obedience, and beauty.
is this too vague? too confusing?
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ReplyDeleteWithin the undaunted tales of ancient Greek and Roman mythology, as told by Edith Hamilton, the female goddess and mortal exhibit a blend of typical and unusual characteristics that ultimately bring heartache or ruin upon their subordinates or peers, whether they intend to or not.
ReplyDeleteI'm definitely going to edit it and make it stronger/fancier though..
In Edith Hamilton's extended compendium "Mythology," feminine power and strength are thouroughly exemplified through their benevolent power, selfish manipulation, and irresistable beauty.
ReplyDeleteIts still a little rough, and I will definitely be editing this. if you have any suggestions, please let me know!
In Edith Hamilton's Mythology, the author's feminist views come forward through the power of the Goddesses and the obedience of women, but Gods and men ultimately rule superior throughout Greek and Roman Mythology.
ReplyDeleteOk? does it flow?
Women have influenced men and the world on many occasions in Roman and Greek mythology and, as exemplified by the first wonan Pandora, have been thought to be a punishment to man as well as a "gift to all."
ReplyDeleteSkylar-
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure if you need the second part of your thesis... I think it'd be better if you cut it off after "women."
-Rachel M. 6
Emily E.---
ReplyDeleteI don't think you need to put the "mortal or immortal" part in...the word "female" pretty much encompasses everything, and having that phrase in there kind of messes with the flow of the sentence. =]
-Brigitte B. 6th.
Rachel. Ithink you mean perservering. Overall, the thesis looks soilid:)
ReplyDeleteKelsey. Consider revising your thesis:
ReplyDeleteAs demonstrated in Edith Hamilton's Mythology, women, goddesses and motal alike, utilize power for purposes of personal gain, as well as intentional malice.
This is only an idea, based on what I am reading here. Make sure that your thesis is broad enough to cover three aspects.
Nicole. You may consider: Women, even goddesses, in Edith Hamilton's Mythology are an inferior race viewed only as sex objects ridden with jealousy and vanity.
ReplyDeleteAll females, goddesses and mortal women alike, are portrayed as an inferior gender, based on true Hellenic tradition; according to viewpoints in Edith Hamilton's Mythology women are merely sexual objects, ridden with jealousy and vanity.
Make sure that you have enough "mileage" to cover your aspects:)
Emily. Add the name of the novel and the author. Also, consider defining your thesis by aspects to be covered in your paper. Take a look at some of the others:)
ReplyDeleteBrooke. Consider some small revisions: Within the iconic tales of ancient Greek and Roman mythology, as retold by Edith Hamilton, goddess and mortal woemn exhibit a blend of typical and atypical feminine characteristics that ultimately invoke heartache or ruin upon their subordinates or peers.
ReplyDeleteSee what you think;) It sounds as if you are off to a good start!!
Brigette. Just a little tweaking is needed...
ReplyDeleteFemales in Edith Hamilton's novel Mythology are limited by the original author's adherence to Hellenic tradition; The women are either forced into stereotypical submission or portrayed as evil, due to the cultural idea that femininity can never coexist with strength.
This is a starting point; see what you think:)
Corie. Check your title attribution. I think you are off to a good start:)
ReplyDeleteAriana---
ReplyDeleteI think it might be a run-on sentence right now. You should put some kind of punctuation between
'roles' and 'the'. Maybe a colon? I think it's strong other than that.
Natalie. Your thesis should be broad. This is rather specific and should be saved for the "proving" area (body) of your paper.
ReplyDeleteKyley-
ReplyDeleteIt may be better to make your thesis more general... instead of saying Pandora's curiosity, make a generalization about curiosity. That way in the body paragraphs you can talk about others who were curious as well.
Just a suggestion :]
Emily V.
ReplyDeleteIs this a better thesis?
Edith Hamilton’s classic compilation Mythology effectively demonstrates both the conventional and unconventional gender roles found in ancient Greek and Roman myths.
Skylar. Consider the following revisions:
ReplyDeleteIn Edith Hamilton's Mythology, the author's personal, feminist views are evidenced by her multi-faceted portrayal of the goddesses' supernatural powers and the obedience of females en total; additionally, an adherence to patriarchal Hellenic tradition is obvious.
I'm not loving the final part of the thesis that I have here... I am trying to keep your viewpoint. Take a look and tweak as needed:)
Kyley. I agree with the prior post about making the thesis more general. Save the specific info for the body. Think of the thesis as a rainbow, arching over your ideas and alluding to what is to come:)
ReplyDeleteCourtney. This is a good start. Consider the following idea:
ReplyDeleteEdith Hamilton's Mythology utilizes feminine characters that occupy very important, powerful roles; however, both goddedsses and mortal women are also viewed as weak and flawed, as determined by the rules of Hellenic society.
This is only a springboard; change as needed:)
Emily. This is better. You may add specific aspects as your paper evolves. It is better:) Good work:)
ReplyDeleteEdith Hamilton’s classic compilation Mythology effectively demonstrates both the conventional and unconventional gender roles found in ancient Greek and Roman myths.
Although they are not the most remembered heroes or exciting Gods, women have a major role in Mythology, they are often flawed, abused, and rarely portray traits glorified by the Greeks other than their beauty.
ReplyDeleteI know it's long, I'm probably going to break it up into two sentences if that will keep it a proper thesis.
Edith Hamilton's Mythology exemplifies that although very few women could obtain actual positions of authority in Greek and Roman society, numerous females attained power by means of their exquisite beauty, physical ability, or tenacious willpower.
ReplyDeleteEllen. While the female lead myths do not garner the same fame as the male dominated one, Hamilton is trying to show that females struggled under male domination. Much of the novel is devoted to that end, via voice and focus. Perhaps a more straightforward thesis is better, one that judges less. If possible, try to use a semicolon contsruction to closely associate the two "sentences," maintaining the thought for the reader:)
ReplyDeleteSkylar,
ReplyDeleteI might be reading this wrong, but the part about "the author's feminist views come forward through the power of the Goddesses and the obedience of women" I feel is a contradiction. Goddesses being powerful is a feminist thing, but not women being obedient..
Audrey. Excellent:) I can't wait to read your paper:) It is straightforward and specific, while leaving room for proving within the paper's body. Good job.
ReplyDeleteNicole and Skylar. I can see what both of you are saying. Nicole, I see where you are coming from; the feminist idea is one that promotes female strength. Skylar may intend to explore Hamilton's reaction to the idea of obedience. Her viewpoint could be expressed while maintaining the hellenic viewpoint of the day. Thoughts??
ReplyDeleteChristineJ.7
ReplyDelete1.) The intricate depiction of the role of feminism throughout Edith Hamilton's compilation "Mythology" portrays the Hellenic and Roman outlook of both female deities and mortals as not merely inferior but even as the embodiment of evil.
2.) Edith Hamilton's "Mythology" explores the inferior role of women in male dominated Roman and Hellenic society as well as the tradition of intentional malice for personal gain.
They both have the same concept, I just cannot choose which statement I like most. but...I am definately going to revise them. help?
Thank you all for your opinions. Maybe I could change my focus a little to better fit my paper. So here we go-
ReplyDelete"In Edith Hamilton's Mythology, the author's personal, feminist views are evidenced by her multi-faceted portrayal of the goddesses and women through their strength, foolishness, and independence."
So I changed it a lot. would that be ok to write about or does that not follow what it should?
scratch that....
ReplyDeleteI'm not even going to use Roman society examples
NEW THESIS
Edith Hamilton's daedal (or intricate?) work, Mythology, effectively amplifies (highlights) the unjust perception of women inherently inferior and deceptively evil in Hellenic (or Greek) society.
I think I like this the best. Any thoughts? Should I use some wording from the post I made earlier in this statement?
Anne A. 7
ReplyDeleteEdith Hamilton's Mythology explores dual roles and traits of women, specifically their desirable beauty embodied through femininity and masculinity, thier passionate outlook on love that causes harsh acts of vengaence, and their feminine flaws that overshaw their strength.
Alexis R. 6.
ReplyDeleteIn Hamilton's Mythology the female goddesses, humans, and other mythological beings portray two contrasting roles as both corrupted power vessels and subordinate damsels who must be guarded by the male race.
Mrs. Edwards, I only planned on covering two aspects in my paper, but you said three in your comment. Does this mean that I need a new paragraph or can I use two aspects in one paragraph such as when I talk about Pandora?
ReplyDeleteKelsey. It is your choice. You may be able to get enough "mileage" out of two aspects. My suggestion of three aspects, is my own "mode" of writing. It totally depends on the individual:)
ReplyDeleteChristine, I think the first thesis from your original post is really good, just taking out Roman like you want to.
ReplyDeleteHelpful Hints:
ReplyDelete1. Always identify the author and novel in your thesis. Titles of books are in italics.
2. Address the author by last name.
3. Watch your organization. While it is not the only way to organize a paper, thinking of the paper as three points in five sections helps. NOTE: this does not mean 5 paragraphs.
4. Order your paper by order of discussion as dictated by your thesis statement.
5. Plan to have two solid proofs in each body paragraphs.
6. Watch your tense and maintain literary present.
7. Avoid personal pronouns (I, you, our). maintain formal voice.
8. Maintain equal weight with each aspect discussed in your paper. (Do not have one or two lengthy discussions and then have one skimpy one).
9. Remember....12 font and double spaced.
10. Have someone read your paper. Sometimes the writer thinks that something makes perfect sense and the reader can be left confused.
Mrs. Edwards, would my thesis sound better without the part about Pandora or should I change it further?
ReplyDeleteNatalie. In most cases, it is a better choice to save specific info, such as the Pandora observation, for the proving aspect of the paper. Thesis statements generally have broad aspects with the proof following in the body:) Good question!
ReplyDeleteI am confused on where I should put in the authors name. I could do..
ReplyDeleteHamilton has clearly proven in Mythology that women have influenced man and the world on many occasions in Roman and Greek mythology and have been thought to be a punishment to man as well as a "gift to all."
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ReplyDeleteMrs. Edwards:
ReplyDeleteI have a question. In my essay, I'm referring to the fact that women are often blamed for things, and I zeroed in on the idea that many of the monsters are women. The monsters (the Gorgons, the Harpies, etc.) don't really have their own backstories, so I just listed them within the paragraph. Is this okay?
And also, I was looking through the index and I noticed that there are things in there that aren't actually in the book. For example, I found the name Echidna (another female monster)...can I use these in my essay or should I stick to the ones in the actual book?
Brigitte. A suggestion would be to use an appositive after the term:An appositive is a noun or noun phrase that renames another noun right beside it. The appositive can be a short or long combination of words. Appositives are set off with commas within the sentence. This would identify what you are talking about, without having to go into a long discussion. If I am understanding what you are doing with this, you are merely providing examples to support the idea that females are portrayed as monsters. Does this help??:)
ReplyDeleteMrs. Edwards:
ReplyDeleteI cannot remember if you wanted us to give page numbers after our quotes. I know that you don't want a works cited page but I cant remember what you said about the page numbers. Also on the sheet that you gave us with all the prompts that we could choose it says that you want us to send it to turnitin.com. Are we supposed to do this for tuesday or later on because we dont have the passwords for the class?
Natalie-
ReplyDeleteYou don't need page numbers after the quotes.
Also, she told us to wait to put it on turnitin.com because she always gets people that turn it in on there like four times, and she wants to avoid that.
Mrs. Edwards--
ReplyDeleteI was more concerned with just having a list with no explanation of the things in it. This is the sentence I have:
In other myths, fierce and evil creatures are made female, like the Chimera, the Sphinx, the Gorgons, and the Harpies.
Should I just use appositives within the list or should I do away with the list completely and explain them in more detail some other way in the paragraph?
And as far as the extra things in the index, are they fair game?
Ok so I tweaked my thesis a little here it is:
ReplyDeleteEdith Hamilton illustrates in her canon novel Mythology how myths have molded females into three distinctive roles; the punishment to man, the domestice woman, and the independent female.
Does that look better? Is the punishment to man an akward way to put it?
Ariana--
ReplyDeleteMaybe "punishment FOR man" would sound better.
Brigitte-
ReplyDeleteThanks! I think that does sound better. I knew the wording was off in someway I just couldn't figure it out.
Mrs. E-
ReplyDeleteAre we supposed to have 2 quotes per paragraph? I could be remembering wrong, but I thought that was what you told us.
Also, to everyone: I'm having trouble organizing my essay. I know all the things I want to talk about (mainly portraying the aspects of mythology that relate to the aspects and struggles of females today) but I don't really know in what structure they should be. For example, I definitely want to talk about the strength and power, the idea of women as objects, the concept of women as inferior/evil, and also the struggle between the womans choice between humble housewife or self-sufficient women (Hera vs. Hestia). Any ideas?
Jeff. Yes, you should have wo supports per body paragraph. That is just a good rule of thumb. Also, your thesis will dictate order for your paper. Look at the list of helpful hints:)
ReplyDeleteThroughout Hamilton's Mythology, it is apparent of the woman's inferior role in the male dominated society of ancient Greek and Roman times; they seem to bring about trouble through their stunning beauty, they tempt and distract all men and are susceptible to love.
ReplyDeleteAny help on my above thesis would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
ReplyDeleteAlison
Alison-
ReplyDeleteBetween Hamilton's and Mythology you might want to inlcude the word novel and an adjective in front of it. For example: Throughout Hamilton's superior novel Mythology... But maybe not the adjective superior because it might not fit.
Ariana B. 6
Better late than never, here's my thesis: As shown by Hamilton’s Mythology, both mortal and immortal women of Greece are beautiful due to not only their traditionally feminine traits, but also their more masculine traits, and share a wickedly curious side that brings much pain to mankind.
ReplyDeleteKaela O. 7
ReplyDeleteIn Hamilton’s exemplary compilation “Mythology,” she portrays three main roles of legendary Greek and Roman goddesses; the supporting nurturer, the tempting virgin, and the intimidating monster.
Does this sound alright.
Kaela and Sam. Thesis statements look good. A suggestion, rules of formality dictate addressing the author by full name. After that, you may refer to the author by last name. Kaela, I LOVE the aspects that you have chosen:) Consider ramping up the vocab on the adjectives named in the thesis (supporting, tempting and intimidating) to add that "AP" quality to the paper:)
ReplyDeleteKaela O. 7
ReplyDeleteRevision.
In Edith Hamilton’s exemplary compilation “Mythology,” she portrays three main roles of legendary Greek and Roman goddesses; the (benevolent) nurturer, the (tantalizing/alluring) virgin, and the (daunting) monster.
Do those revisions sound better?
Kaela. Those are better. Also, make sure that you use italics, not quotation marks, for your title. Quotation makrks are for short stories...poetry titles... Book titles are either underlined or in italics.
ReplyDeleteMrs. Edwards,
ReplyDeleteIs it okay if I only have two body paragraphs, as long as the length of the paper is still long enough? My paper is divided into two main sections with three points for each. One section is focused on how women embodied traditional gender roles in the myths, and one is about how they also took on nontraditional roles. What do you think?
My paragraphs are on benevolent power, selfish manipulation and irresistable beauty, respectively. I have several points that I want to hit on, but I am having trouble deciding which ones to put where. Can anyone think of any examples that I can use for any of those paragraphs?
ReplyDeleteEmily. Just from reading the description, I am feeling a little wary of onlt two paragraphs. It makes it a little much for your reader to take in. See if there are some natural divisions in there (i.e. discussion of mortal women and a discussion of goddesses). As one can have run on sentences, the same could be said of paragraphs. Sometimes students run into disorganization when they try to have one size fits all paragraphing. Have someone read it, and get second opinion. Sometimes the reader cannot see the confusion (item 10 on the Helpful Hints).
ReplyDeleteCory. Begin by really knowing the definitions of your aspects. IMHO, benevolence has the connotaion of someone in power doing something out of kindness for someone less than themselves. If you are in doubt, address the aspect via an appositive, thus framing your discussion by definition. Does that help??
ReplyDeleteMrs. Edwards -
ReplyDeleteI am considering changing the paragraph on selfish manipulation and replacing it with a paragraph on women's nature to be temptresse because I am not sure how to expand on the idea of selfish manipulation and find examples for it. Does this sound like a good idea?
Revised thesis:
ReplyDeleteIn her epic compilation Mythology, Edith Hamilton explores both modern and patriarchal social perceptions of women in a male dominated society by examining their power, degradation, and gender struggles.
Does this have more clarity?
Brand new thesis! again!
ReplyDeleteIn Edith Hamilton's epic compendium Mythology, several varying aspects of women are explored - their benevolent power, their archetype of a temptress, and their inevitable nature to do evil.
If you have any suggestions or modifications, let me know! Thanks!
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ReplyDeleteMrs. Edwards (or anyone who has an opinion)
ReplyDeleteI have my body paragraphs but I am having a difficult time writing my introduction. I was thinking of starting off with a quote. Like, “Among savages she is a slave. In the dark ages of Christianity she is a toy and a sentimental goddess.” (by George William Curtis). But I don't know how to go from there to my thesis.
Any help?
Kaela-
ReplyDeleteYou could begin by talking about Greek culture and society and the different ways women were looked at, which would go along with your thesis. You could also talk about the dual and ambiguous nature of women, the good and bad which might help explain why men and society thought these different things about them.
Mrs. Edwards,
ReplyDeleteI have a question about citations in the paper.
1. "fairest woman in the world" (186)
2. "fairest woman in the world"
Which of these two options is the way we should cite our quotes in our paper? I know you said we don't need to have a works cited because we are only dealing with one source, but I still am not sure if the page number is necessary.
-Rachel M
Anne,
ReplyDeleteI think you have good ideas, but I don't really understand the last one... Do you mean feminine flaws like curiosity and jealousy? Maybe you could word it a little bit differently so that it's clearer.
Does anyone else have any ideas?
Ugh my paper is sounding like a big summary of stories throughout the book.
ReplyDeleteI'm struggling with paraphrasing the stories that support my thesis and it's making my paper super long.
HELP?
Rachel-
ReplyDeleteEdwards said that you didn't need page numbers after your citations.
Corie. I like your new thesis. You can relax now! :)
ReplyDeleteThanks Kaela :]
ReplyDeleteNo problemmm.
ReplyDeletethanks brookie!
ReplyDeleteBrooke. Make sure that you are actually paraphrasing, not retelling. It is a normal error to make:) That might be why yor paper is too long. The ability to be succinct ina great skill to have.
ReplyDeleteTo all of you... I admire your willingness to help your classmates:) You are a good group, sharing and kind:) LIKE, I ALREADY KNEW THAT!!!!!!!!
Brooke-
ReplyDeleteHighlight what it is about the story that reflects what you are trying to say in your thesis/the main focus of the paragraph instead of just summarizing what happens in the story.
thanks!
ReplyDeleteJeff- I like your thesis, but what's the difference between degradation and gender struggles? It's not clear to me what you would be talking about in each of those body paragraphs
question for anyone:
ReplyDeleteDo you think Demeter would fall under the category of goddesses that intentionally do evil or goddesses that don't? I orignially thought those that don't intentionally do evil because it's her depression that causes the crops to fail, but now I'm not so sure.
Brooke-
ReplyDeleteI see what you mean about Demeter.
I personally feel that 99% of the time she is a 'good' goddess. And she harvests crops bountifully for mankind in reward for them cultivating the soil. But, that 1% of the time when she said she wouldn't let the earth bear any fruit until she saw her daughter again is an example of her intentionally doing evil, yet she did have a cause.
I think you can choose which one fits your paper more. As long as there is enough proof.
Brooke-
ReplyDeleteI agree with Kaela that she is a good goddess. When I read about the part of her letting the crops die and the men starving fromt that as being her forgetting about her duties becuase of her constant worry over her daughter being missing. I didn't believe she intentionally did it.
Also I was wondering what is that word Mrs. Edwards used when talking about the Greek Society "Henallic" or something?
Mrs. Edwards,
ReplyDeleteI have looked over my paper, and I think the way I have it arranged with only two body paragraphs makes the most sense organizationally for me, even though the two paragraphs are very long. I could divide each of the two body paragraphs in half, but one half would have two main examples and the other would only have one. Can I print out both versions to show you and see which you think is best?
Thanks! -Emily V
Emily, thanks! As I went to write the respective body paragraph for that part of the thesis I totally ran into that same issue, so I am revising it.
ReplyDeleteBrooke, I think of Demeter as a "good" goddess. However, her depression due to her loss daughter that results in lack of vegetation in the winter time can be seen as a feminine flaw. Since she has a motherly instinct, her emotions overwhelm her and ultimatley affect her ability to get her job done.
-Anne
Ariana--- the word is Hellenic, I'm pretty sure it just means Greek.
ReplyDeleteHey everyone, don't forget to have a 'profound' (as Mr. Clutter would say) title to begin your amazing papers! woo!
ReplyDeletewhen we do quotes, do we need a comma before the quote if its used in context? like would I have ...
ReplyDeletewho had "enchanting voices and..."
or
who had, "enchanting voices and.."
Corie. Since you are blending your quote into a sentence of your own "creation," you do not need the comma. Ony use punctuation as is necessary to complete the sentence. The blend approach maintains your voice while adding the support to further your idea and to supply credibility.
ReplyDeleteEmilyV. Both situations sound problematic. Long paragraphs run the risk of wandering, especially in a paper of this length. To just "half" the paragraph is not what you are after either. You need to look for a natural division, if you are going to paragraph. You should maintain the same depth of support in each body paragraph, equalizing the discussion. Does this help?
ReplyDeleteThere are not natural divisions in the way I organized it, but I divided it up and rearranged my ideas the best I could. Thank you for your advice!
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